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Mar. 23rd, 2006 @ 11:50 am Forget Brokeback Mountain--try Brokeback *Lawn*!
I am going to start with the most messed-up thing I have seen in a long time--this absolutely disgusting "marriage contract". This is the kind of dude who needs killing, then reincarnation, then re-killing! I post the link because I just have to, and also because whatever you think of my understanding of love and marriage, it can't be nearly as bad as this. Set aside ten minutes and a barf bag...

Or just read on...

This morning I had occasion to compare "Brokeback Mountain" to "Romeo and Juliet." A gay teenage boy said he wanted to love like that. I insisted that honestly, he doesn't really. (Well, maybe he does *now*, but hopefully he'll grow out of it.) I made the comparison in an effort to help him see why it's not a great model.

I never liked "Romeo and Juliet." When I was a kid, I thought they were stupid, letting the world get to them like that. I think of it now as a play about societal opposition preventing love from ever really growing, just making it die in the bud. Of course Romeo and Juliet's love lasted forever--it's because Juliet and Romeo themselves didn't last very long at all. I think, could it have lasted through kids and financial setbacks and Juliet's not being a perfect castle-keeper and Romeo's moods?

I think of "Brokeback" sort of that way. Ennis and Jack got to live a bit longer, but their love never got to mature, and that was the real tragedy. They had their fishing trips, but they never argued over money or whose turn it was to wash dishes or mow a lawn. I would have liked to see their love survive *that*, but of course it would have been a very different movie had that happened. The "fishing trips" kept that passionate lustful love going at a fever pitch, and it was an artificial condition, sort of like my own extended LDR. They were always *dating*, with no further destination in sight.

I don't know. I guess I was raised differently or something--I always wondered what happened after "they lived happily ever after". I even wrote stories about how Snow White knighted the dwarves and Cinderella was super-nice to her maids, once I was old enough to understand the concept of a sequel. My mom always told me that in real life, a wedding is the start of a story, not an end.

I just would kind of like to see more love stories with dishes and aged parents and budgets, and more respect for those love stories, is all. I would particularly love to see them with same-sex couples, just because those of us who are in them seem so very exotic to so many people still.

That's one reason why I document the details--I'm learning as I go along and so is my wife, but I want to let people know that we can learn and are learning. I want to let the straight fence-sitters know. I want to let the homophobes know. I want to let the curious know. And I'm being reminded that our own kids need to see that, too.
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From:reannon
Date:March 23rd, 2006 05:00 pm (UTC)
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That's why one of the most romantic relationship in modern movies, for me, is Rick and Evelyn from THE MUMMY RETURNS. Yes, cheesy action flick. Don't care. These two have been married just shy of a decade, and yes, they have their adventures. But they're a partnership, and they still love each other and tease each other and love their child. There's a great moment right after Rick saves her from the bad guys. They hide behind a pillar. He cuts the ropes off her wrists and ankles. In a traditional movie, he would then jump out, guns blazing, while she hides behind him and they run for it.

Instead, he hands her a gun, they nod to each other, then they jump out and fire side by side. They cover for each other as they make their escape. And throughout the movie, he saves her life, and she saves his. It's a partnership, completely equal, with respect to differences and each other. Evil resurrected Egyptian villains aside, that's romance.
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From:princesswitch
Date:March 23rd, 2006 05:04 pm (UTC)
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They nod to each other! Like they don't even need to say much! Now that's the sort of thing that gets me all gooshy. *sigh*

Oh, I do have to see that! :-) Thanks for telling me about it.
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From:maukatt
Date:March 24th, 2006 12:14 am (UTC)
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Oh, the "Mummy" movies are great!

And yeah, that relationship stuff in the second movie is part of why I like it so much. Both movies are great, but the second one is my favorite of the two.
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From:paradisacorbasi
Date:March 23rd, 2006 05:06 pm (UTC)
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That movie rocked for more reasons than that.

When the pyramid starts coming down, Imhotep and Rick each shout for Anuck-Su-Namun and Evy, respectively, to RUN!

Evy pauses, sets her jaw, and rushes to pull Rick to safety.

Imhotep sees this and is heartened. He calls Anuck-Su-Namun for help, but she has run and refuses to turn back. Imhotep's heart is broken because he gave up everything for her -- his humanity, his life, his position in the pharaoh's court -- and the two mortals who had been dogging him have a greater love than he could ever have.

It ruled. Though it always makes me feel sad for Imhotep.
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From:maukatt
Date:March 24th, 2006 12:21 am (UTC)

More Spoilers!

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Ah, you described that scene. *g* I was going to, then decided not to, in case it was a spoiler.

But this scene showed the difference between the two Great Loves portrayed in the movie -- the one of the Bad Guys, and the one of the Good Guys. The "Epic Great Love" of the bad guys was the one that changed history, almost changed time, and caused all the action and such, and yet in the end it failed. It fizzled, in fact. The "ordinary" mortal love, like you said, is the one that proved to be truly epic.

And Imhotep, even though heartbroken, honored Rick & Evie's love in the end, by his last act. It almost redeemed him as a human being.

As for Anck Su Namun, she got what she deserved. *g*

But OMG, that "outfit" she wore in the initial flashback-to-Egypt scenes, that was nothing more than body paint?!?!!! *gngah!*
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From:paradisacorbasi
Date:March 24th, 2006 01:40 am (UTC)

Re: More Spoilers!

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I call the expiration of Spoiler Freshness Dating around the time the DVD comes out. Once it's been on TV, all bets are off. It's been on USA five times in the last four months. ^_^

Yeah. I felt for Imhotep bigtime at the end. That's a sign to me of good writing and good acting, that the villain was the one you felt worst for at the end.

I almost started a fanfic several times where Evy and Rick extended their hands to Imhotep and pulled him to safety -- so he would thereby see human decency at its best, after having been cursed for a thousand years due to a simple case of lust and betrayed by cowardice and greed.

As for Anuck-Su-Namun, I called her Skankh-Su-Namun mostly. The all body paint outfit was one of the main reasons. But her fake love for Imhotep cemented it firmly in my mind as the appropriate name for her.



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From:fluttergrrl30
Date:March 24th, 2006 12:46 am (UTC)
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Oh, yes, I love the Mummy movies! I love that Evy is smart as hell, and just as brave as the boys, without the males being reduced to drooling idiots. Well, you know, most of them anyway. :) Plus, the first one has one of my all time favorite movie lines:

Evy: I may not be an explorer, or an adventurer, or a treasure-seeker, or a gunfighter, Mr. O'Connell, but I am proud of what I am.

Rick: And what is that?

Evy: I...am a librarian!
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From:paradisacorbasi
Date:March 23rd, 2006 05:03 pm (UTC)
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There was a sitcom in the late 70s/early 80s about what happened to Cinderella after the end of the story. It was called The Charmings. It flopped, hardcore.

But I'm with you. I'd like to see what happened next.

Disney, on the other hand, is just making sequels to make them, without really telling much of another story.
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From:cissasghost
Date:March 23rd, 2006 06:01 pm (UTC)
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Re: the "marriage contract", which I stumbled on a few weeks ago - http://cissasghost.livejournal.com/181278.html

I seriously sat there staring at the screen reading "your birthday, January 4th" about 18 times. It was like, oh look, there goes my mental distance from this. Bye-bye, mental distance. *OMG hyperventilate*

"I even wrote stories about how Snow White knighted the dwarves and Cinderella was super-nice to her maids"
EEeeeee!!! I knew it! You wrote *fanfic*! I *knew* you were one of us fandom-type peoples! You're just cool like that. ;)

-Sonya
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From:princesswitch
Date:March 23rd, 2006 06:13 pm (UTC)
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Yes, as a little kid, I wrote fanfic before fanfic was a word! I didn't think of it that way.

I've wanted to re-interpret other writings, too. Like, writing a story of life after Gilead, from people who escaped it in the Handmaid's Tale. Or retelling the story of the central relationship in the Well of Loneliness, from Mary (the femme bisexual woman's) point of view.
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From:cissasghost
Date:March 24th, 2006 05:51 am (UTC)
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Those aren't 'verses I know (well, I've heard of 'The Handmaid's Tale', obviously, but not read it), but, you should! It's fun!

. . and now I must stop myself from lauching into the full-on, wild-eyed soapbox pitch as to why fandom will save the world and everyone should write fic. (But really, we will, and you should. ;) )

-Sonya
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From:fluttergrrl30
Date:March 24th, 2006 12:26 am (UTC)
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Biddi biddi biddi, what the fuck, Buck?? :: facepalm ::

Is there any way that deranged assclown can be made to be on the receiving end of that very same contract? We can only hope, eh?
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From:queerbychoice
Date:March 24th, 2006 01:06 am (UTC)
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This is a wonderful journal entry. I would like to see more of those kind of love stories, too. And for that matter, I would like to see more stories in which the people are allowed to be single at the end of the story. Including female people. On the extremely rare occasions when an author does allow people to end of single, it's almost always only the male people who are allowed to do that.
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From:snowwhitetan
Date:March 24th, 2006 07:04 am (UTC)

"marriage contract"?

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That is the most FUCKED UP thing I've ever seen (and keep in mind, I never drop the f-bomb so that shows you how repulsed I am)! This guy has major sexual issues, which is even more apparent because he's also facing child porn charges. Wow, I don't even know what else to say about that disgusting man, but I think what you said needs to be done to him is a good idea. Maybe he'll get to be somebody's sex slave in prison and realize it's not fun being on the receiving end of enslavement.

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From:outdoortoys
Date:March 24th, 2006 08:33 pm (UTC)
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Okay, I'm going to be the sole voice of dissent here, apparently. While I would never want to be in a relationship as one-sided as that, and if I were I wouldn't try to make a "legal" contract, some people really need that.

Despite what most of us think about partnerships being equal, there are people out there (I know several--subs and doms) who truly believe that a contract like that is tantamount to finding a perfect mate. I have several friends who would be more than happy to sign a contract like that, in either position.

For those who have seen the movie "The Secretary", consider the relationship shown there. That, believe it or not, is a small taste of what true subs /need/ in a relationship, not just want.

Personally, I like to switch it up too much for something like that, but there really are people who don't. I find it odd that he thought the contract would be signed and she didn't. You'd think he would have known her well enough at that point to know whether or not something like that would work.

All that said, the guy gives me the heebee jeebies looking at his picture, not just because of his contract, but just an EWWW kind of feeling.